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Someone please explain this to us, how are these skirts tznius?

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Ok, we both know, we do kvetch about this particular one the most but in all seriousness we do have this pet peeve. 

 As religious Jews, those of us who do call themselves to be above the term ‘modern orthadox’ put ourselves into the idea that tznius does mean covering the elbow and the knee, as well as covering your hair (depending on most people this means have to show till 2 fingers). However when does this mean that you can wear a skirt that is just at the knee or rides up when you sit down? Or that you can show off a lot more than 2 fingers of hair?

 Seriously, we would like to know this. We don’t count ourselves really in any camp, we are frum, we are shomer shabbas, we are tznius, we keep kosher. We know many women who count themselves extremely Yeshivish dress like this…dress to kill or just dressed with short skirts/not caring so much about their hair and we do wonder why.

 

 Flatbush at the moment is still debating the eruvs, put into excommunication someone who put large tznius pictures of women in his sheital store to illustrate his sheitals, going after people who object to the current practices  of some schools and Ravs…and they can’t find the time to figure out why all these Yeshivish women, those who are married to their kollel men, the daughters of their Ravs, who go around and make their schools elitists and you have to jump through their hoops….and we should be listening to people who look down on us when they can’t seem to find a way to cover their knees and show themselves off?

 

Yeah, this a rant, and yea we are ‘judging’….but we really aren’t. We just don’t want people to be double standard. Treat everyone the same, don’t judge them on how they look or dress…but if you do judge people like that then you better dress the dress, walk the walk, and talk the talk.

 

As for us, we’ll just be ourselves, frum Jews, no labels please. 

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Written by frombrooklyn

February 8, 2008 at 1:52 AM

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  1. Oh please, avert your eyes from looking under girls skirts.

    jacob

    February 10, 2008 at 2:29 AM

  2. Kinda hard when they are blatantly ‘showing off’. Though we don’t look, though we are surprised some enterprising Jew hasn’t decided to make a site called ‘Jewish Girls Gone Wild’ and taken pics of these scantily clad knees, elbows, and hair.

    frombrooklyn

    February 10, 2008 at 4:09 AM

  3. I assume that it is either:

    * The husbands were brought up in homes where their mothers and sisters dressed this way and they don’t know any better.

    OR

    * More realistically, the husbands accept this reluctantly. I expect that their wives would respond negatively (ie, revolt, in a way) if their husbands “demanded” that they buy longer skirts, as they would feel that their husbands would be “micro-managing” every aspect of their lives.

    Of course, this only shifts the blame back to the educational system (or the wives’ parents’ homes). But even that blame might be mitigated by the fact that many of the wives might have received proper education or upbringing but are more concerned with trying to fit in to general society. They might even be “rebelling” against their education or upbringing, by rationalizing that it covers “enough”.

    In short, it is POSSIBLE that:
    1. Wife wants to be stylish or “with it”.
    2. She may accomplish this by minimally not wanting to dress exactly as her mother, or teachers did or taught (ie, pushing the limit).
    3. She then rationalizes that it is “tzniusdik enough” (“Hey, looking down from up here, it looks like it covers the knee, now, while I’m standing. I will tug it down when when I sit.”)
    4. Husband is afraid of rocking the boat. (Maybe has even tried to talk to her, but she pushed back and he reluctantly accepted it.)

    Me

    February 11, 2008 at 7:50 PM

  4. Hot chanis!!!

    Anonymous

    February 13, 2008 at 8:11 PM

  5. calling yourself frum is also using a label… lol

    why don’t BY girls know that they can pleasure themselves?

    chnyock

    February 15, 2008 at 4:03 AM

  6. Calling oneself Frum isn’t a label, being frum means you follow the three major halachos of a Jew which are tznius/taharas hamishpacha, kosher, and Shabbas as well as attempting to do all the mitzvos you are obligated to do in the best manner possible in accordance to how you are raised – meaning you are just being a Jew who wants to be religious.

    Me; we feel you are 100% correct about your comments. Thanks for posting

    frombrooklyn

    February 20, 2008 at 1:19 PM

  7. I take pride in operating the http://www.simchawear.com website with the utmost of tznius (modesty). When people post a dress for sale or rent, I will remove the hands and face. Call me crazy, but this is a crazy world and you’ve got to fit in.

    tznius-lady

    July 9, 2008 at 9:45 PM


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