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Jewish Seminary Girls going wild?

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Dov Bear gave me the idea for this post.

This is something which we have wondered ever since hearing stories from our friends.

Why do Jewish Girls, or girls possibly in general, have to be so touchy feely? I mean about hugging, hold hands, kisses on cheeks, undressing in front of one another, sharing clothes, etc…why is this allowed?

Isn’t this somehow wrongful behavior to allow going on? More and more our world makes those actions equal something provocative, sexual, and explicit.

We know the stories, we have heard them, in fact we have friends who are like that or have reads blogs about it…do we condemn a bisexual or lesbian lifestyle? No, its your decision and we don’t choose to condemn anyone, Jew or Non-Jew, about what they wish to do with their free will.

We just wonder about why if Jews out there are so shocked and disgusted about what happens between Girls in HS and in Seminary then why do we allow such closeness? Why don’t we try and stop it? And every year we hear newer stories…threesomes with a Rabbi a girl babysits for, BY HS girls in the shower together at an upstate retreat, Girls camps where bunkmates slip out and get caught in the forest…the list goes on and on and a blind eye is turned against the fact that this does happen.


Of course they do the same about stories with guys getting it on…


Written by frombrooklyn

March 11, 2007 at 5:15 AM

17 Responses

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  1. i totally disagree! if you think the jewish world is bad i am very sorry but you don’t see anything good of the jews. You are probably a self hating person and are just jealouse of the girls. And i am really sorry if that’s the way you portrait Jewish girls but really you are making a big mistake. Jewish girls are the most cleaniset people out there. Since they are little they were taught not to touch guys so their mariges would be exclusive and if you read the statistics and do your research you would see that the divorce rate of the Jewsish world and the non Jews has a big diffrence. Jewish girls count their friends as sister and you brought like a few disgusting examples. But Jewish girls aren’t provocative they dress up cleanly , not showing half of their chest or their ass. Jewish girls are covered and I’m very sorry but you don’t know your knoweledge


    April 1, 2008 at 10:51 PM

  2. You are entitled to your opinion, and we are also entitled to ours. We can also point to the many stories we have from friends that back our opinion up. We can also safely state that statistics show that Jewish Marriage is currently approaching past 40% divorce rate.


    April 2, 2008 at 1:43 AM

  3. HAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!! the bad jewish girls r BAD. like, rlly rlly bad!! the good 1s r pretty good but bad is….wow


    August 24, 2008 at 8:29 PM

  4. just curious, where do u get this 40% stat from?


    August 26, 2008 at 12:25 PM

  5. actually at the moment they state that its approximately 40 to 45% divorce rate in the “religious” (meaning anyone modern orthodox and beyond) and the less religious Jews are with the national average which is edging past 50% of marriages.

    The statistics have been done by researchers who have done formal and informal polls, interviews with Bais Dins who are known to be involved with divorces, using the NYC divorce stats, and other sources.

    It is hard because many Jews break the law of the land and get married by Jewish Law and do not register this fact with the State.

    However there are many marriage counselors, therapists, and Rabbis who are involved in this segment of the population who are all saying there is a huge rise in marriages which are either extremely bad off, going through separations, or ending up in divorce.

    People who are in the know and who talk about this to those who are in the field know of it.


    August 26, 2008 at 5:34 PM

  6. dunno, do you have anywhere close to that number in your circle of friends? I sure don’t! Of the close to 150 married “friends” I have, only 4 divorced! But that must just mean that here in lakewood there are 35% of couples who are unhappy…


    August 27, 2008 at 1:21 PM

  7. And how many of those you know have horrible marriages that should of been divorces but haven’t due to the stimgma of what happens to people who divorce?

    Lakewood and close knit communities with their bans and chumras aren’t exactly the type to allow women or couples who wish to get divorce to escape from being labeled as something that gets stuck on the bottom of your shoe.


    August 27, 2008 at 10:22 PM

  8. I called your response in my last comment. You’re so predictable. And wrong…


    August 27, 2008 at 11:11 PM

  9. Yeshivish…firstly don’t have a lot of respect for you esp. of what you wrote into your email box – but please, in the future, comments like those will not be approved.

    There are many personal stories, some that are put up on the internet and others from friends or through the ‘grapevine’ of people who have experienced marriages that no one should suffer though. Your comment of ‘and wrong’ demeans every person, male or female, frum or not, jewish or not who has to go through these things because it is people that are like you who ignore the cries around them and the sights that they see every single day.


    August 27, 2008 at 11:30 PM

  10. I’m not aware of why my e-mail address is a reason to have no respect for me. Personally, my wife and I think it’s cute and easy for friends to remember. But resorting to personal attacks is a sure sign of intelectual dishonesty.


    August 28, 2008 at 12:40 PM

  11. It isn’t a personal attack. Please, seriously, go and learn the definition of the meaning of ‘personal attack’.

    I don’t have respect for you in the following manner

    1) Because of a previous comment you had made above

    2) Someone who has the gall to put ‘head of a yeshiva’ into an email address I think is someone who isn’t showing proper respect – so yes, I wouldn’t respect someone with that kind of email address. Same if someone was ‘I date shiksas’ or ‘yeshivish with gf’ or ‘bais yakkov dater’ I wouldn’t find their email respectful at all and also have a less of respect for them.

    3) While there are many good people in Lakewood it has its shares of known factual stories that are making the town sound like a horror story gone wrong – and it seems that either you truly do not know any bad stories about Lakewood OR are just ignoring it. Either way, do a search online using some search engines to see what stories, esp. backed up by fact, that concern Lakewood. Go and read the forums where the goyim talk about how they despise the Jews because of how they act in Lakewood – not because they are Jewish.

    4) For claiming we are wrong and dismissing all of the people who live in Lakewood who might suffer from child abuse, spousal abuse, or sexual molestation


    August 28, 2008 at 11:37 PM

  12. funny what u equate heading a yeshiva with… but I’m not aware of lakewood stories on the web, and a google search turns up nothing…


    August 31, 2008 at 10:04 PM

  13. sad, my google browser seems to be working better than yours.


    September 1, 2008 at 2:16 AM

  14. care to share the words you searched with? I must’ve done it wrong, backward caveman that I am…


    September 2, 2008 at 3:18 AM

  15. could try

    Lakewood NJ
    Lakewood and Jews
    Jewish Lakewood
    Non Jews and Lakewood
    Lakewood Jewish Landlords

    and lots of other combinations. You might have to click on a lot of links and locations but you’ll find a lot of things. The forums where the Goyim comment about how they view ‘Jewish Lakewood’


    September 7, 2008 at 2:50 AM

  16. i was curious about the stats you mentioned, could you please give me a source? i have been looking for a reliable source with statistics on jewish divorce rates.


    May 9, 2009 at 8:17 PM

  17. You just need to keep your ears to the ground. An excellent way of seeing how many divorces are happening is seeing how busy the Flatbush Bais Din is in terms of ‘marriage meetings’.

    There aren’t any hard statistics unless you have a team of people helping you. There was a few years ago several psych papers written up that had gone into the frum communities and done blind responses and had seen that the divorce rate was approaching what the rest of America has.

    We also look at our friends. We have 10 close friends, 3 of them are divorced right now and 2 are on rocky ground. And they know other people who are in similar situations. It’s like a pond ripple, you only learn about it if you know someone in that situation


    May 20, 2009 at 2:54 PM

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